Basic philosophical principles in creationism.

 

 Misconceptions:
creationist do not deny scientific observations.
Creationist are at liberty to challenge the interpretations of scientists, however,
For instance creationists believe in the existence of dinosaurs; but interprets them to be dragons.
Creationists do no deny natural selection, the difference is that they believe natural selection is limited by kinds, in others words earthworms, pineapple trees and dragonflies are not actually related,

There are many scriptures that affirm natural science in terms of God establishing natural processes."
Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

   In order for their to be a concept of super natural there must first emerge a concept of normal. so nature has a regular mostly predictable cycle.


Inductive fallacies)  However science as a tool for epistemology/knowlege has flaws.
Inductive fallacies are mistakes in reasoning that render an inductive argument weak or unreliable. These can be caused by a lack of evidence, biased sampling, or faulty generalization. Some of the most common inductive fallacies are hasty generalization, post hoc ergo propter hoc, and slippery slope."linked inDeductive vs Inductive Reasoning: Fallacies to Avoid - LinkedIn

We apply this to the issue determining history, History has eye-witnesses,  Modern Science has observations and experiments observed on current times.
History in terms of a strict chronology falls off around 5,000 years ago. Thus scientific speculation of the ancient past is not supported by observation prior to this.the fyrther back in time, the less accurate.  When we speak of millions, much less billions of years we lose all sense of certainty.


Regulative principle)  The only objective truth is inspired revelation. But outside of inspired revelation nothing is authoritative and is rejected if such authority is claimed.
Thus, the introduction of billions of years of history can not simply be added to the text.
the Old earth creationists have often been caught promoting a "gpd of the gaps" where miracles replace weaknesses within the big bang theory and its often tresspassing against the laws of science. However with scriptural authority there is no divine authority for such claims.  So when the big bang theory tress passes against the 1st law of thermo dynamics and then the law of gravity, and Boyle's gas law and others not only is physical science disrupted but there is no room left in the Inn for liberal christianity to provide the theory some shelter.
deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

First cause:  God was the first cause of all things.  For every cause there is an effect.  If the universe is an effect then it must have a cause.  It implies God is the creator of all things. but more importantly.  For the law of cause and effect to be trute. there has to be a beginning of the cause and effect system.   If there is no "first cause" of the cause and effect system then how do we know there ever was a cause and effect system?

Leibniz)  The universe is filled with ideas. If the universe is filled with ideas, what mind thought of them?

Plato, one of the fathers of philosophy, had done a lot of teaching concerning the concept of “being.” From there, he developed his “theory of forms.” This theory teaches that behind every physical thing is the idea of that thing. A good illustration is that of a dog. What makes a dog, a dog? Someone in Plato’s lifetime would have suggested that a dog

1. Can make a forceful noise from its mouth

2. Has legs, fur, two ears, two eyes, a tongue, a round nose with two nostrils, normally a tail, and

3. Swallows, digests, and exports material

The dog also sheds material: it sheds its fur. But the dog preserves its identity even if the material (its food or fur) is gone. The idea of the dog preserves its identity.

So ancient philosophers could find the idea behind the dog. We have to wonder how the ancients would have reacted to the discoveries in molecular biology. An average cell is the smallest living thing and yet it is composed of 1,000,000,000,000 parts. Within these cells, you find all sorts of tool-like molecules, including motors and factories. Then you can find them to form tissues, then muscles, then organs and systems making an organism.

Suddenly, you end up finding a vast array of ideas!

Yet, as we look at the vastness of space with its molecules and energies, we have an unfathomable amount of matter which apparently has to operate in accordance with science with no human involvement. Now, if there were zero intelligent designers, then there should be no design. Typically, we hear that these only appear designed.

But sometimes these rules get broken in ways that are obvious. In the mid 2000s, a discovery was made by cosmologists in mapping the cosmic microwave background radiation of our universe. It was so strange that cosmologists call it “The axis of evil.” They discovered a flow band of heat that was only about 5 degrees Fahrenheit wrapping itself around the universe. The band would cross the earth. That radiation anomaly seems to be aligned with the plane of our solar system. This suggests that our solar system's alignment is special in our universe. But even beyond this, physicist have also found a counterclockwise rotation of all the galaxies in the northern sector of the universe, yet somehow this rotation stops right in line with the earth’s equator. These two universal aspects of nature create an axis across the earth. \ Cosmologists in shock labeled it the axis of evil. In a supposedly purposeless universe X marked the Spot!

So if everything that we are able to observe is filled with ideas, the question is, “Who is thinking them–Who is creating them?”

The idea of the material world is intelligible. In fact, if it were not, then we would not be capable of observing reality. So if the universe is intelligible, then the universe was created, because at a point in time, all ideas are created as thoughts.

kurt Go:del

This is mathematical proof of God

Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive

Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B

Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified

Axiom 1: If a property is positive, then its negation is not positive.

Axiom 2: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive

Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive

Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive

Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive

Axiom 6: For any property P, if P is positive, then being necessarily P is positive.

Theorem 1: If a property is positive, then it is consistent, i.e., possibly exemplified.

Corollary 1: The property of being God-like is consistent.

Theorem 2: If something is God-like, then the property of being God-like is an essence of that thing.

Theorem 3: Necessarily, the property of being God-like is exemplified.

Given a sufficiently generous conception of properties, and granted the acceptability of the underlying modal logic, the listed theorems do follow from the axioms. (This point was argued in detail by Dana Scott, in lecture notes which circulated for many years and which were transcribed in Sobel 1987 and published in Sobel 2004. It is also made by Sobel, Anderson, and Adams.) So, criticisms of the argument are bound to focus on the axioms, or on the other assumptions which are required in order to construct the proof." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg

Typically this argument has been portayed very technically, hard to understand and attempting to prove God exists entirely on it's own.  However, what is unique which Go'del has done is by showing the argument in mathematic context, we see that the existence of God is mathematically valid and therefore proven to be a rational concept.


History is the best at history)
Historical science is speculations and estimations.  Experiments can only be done in the present but not in th epast. So we never know all the variables going on at the time in the past.
History however takes in the witnesses of the past and then resolves the testimony,
World history in the strict sense is "younger"  than even that of the young earth Bible.
The starting point according to the ancients is a creator God.(I have a list of over 36 versions of a Creator God from every continent.)
https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-historical-case-for-creator.html

The evidence of the historical record is the bedrock of all sciences concerning the past.

Paradise Lost)  When God said the world was "very good"  it was not a cursed realm that we interact with today.  People and animals were fed abundant food and breathed abundant oxygen, with out fear of predators in terrain that was relatively safe and ideal.
Adaptation from salt water to fresh water or vegatarian to carnivore or large to small are all possible adaptations within the kinds.
Fossil evidence shows us species in the furthest corridor having complete biosystems with nothing unformed.


Geo-centrism) The earth has a unique position in our universe.traditionally  the universe revolved around the earth.  Most recent young earth creationists will just claim centrism with the milky way galaxy.
Modern popular science indoctrinates us with a an utterly ignorant axiom.
That is the doctrine that there is no center of the universe.
To deny a center to everything is a denial of geometry and then space.

Maturity) God has by definition unlimited power and unlimited knowledge among other attributes. Thus there is no condition limiting God from creating a fully functional universe.  In fact the challenge, of ancient days was why did God wait for six days to finish creation.
The assumption of a natural universe creating itslf from nothing governed by scientific axioms that are unwritten for billions of years is both speculative and irrational.
However science has uncovered dozens if not hundreds of scientific processes which left alone contradict the long age dating interpretations. thus leaving the uniformitarian assumption completly debunked. 

Catastrophism:
Typically when we make the assumptions of age we base this on deterioration.  But deterioration does not necessarily measure time.
There are a minority of people out in the world that appears around 30yrs of age, yet in reality they are around 70,  yet there are people who appear as if they were 70 yrs old who are in their 30's this is due to health issues. The universe has had many a catastrophe.  The damage of catastrophes are most often interpretted in terms of ages.

2nd law of thermodynamics:  All the universe energy is running down,  This is oposite of the progressive viewpoint of evolution.  The idea of the billions yr old universe is unsustainable because the universe would have collapsed by now. We do not have a reason for the big bang to happen even if the principle formed out of nothing it has to defy the law of gravity.  as well as the conservation of matter .  It also defies Boyle's Gas Laws.  creation has to be created and it has to be intentional.

The bible is scientifically accurate but not scientifically articulated
Functional language: animals are not categorized in a way to make them appear related.  Yet in the the bible their classifications are according to their function.
So bats are counted as fowls, because they are flying animals.  this is more relevant to life.  but our modern day evolutionary family tree starts with the assumption of relation.  The fact that we can't "make everything fit" tells us that it is useless to categorize life forms that way.


Fallacies of evolutionists) It has become quite obvious that "everybody thinks this way" has become the major selling point
However, they ignore the political and social pressures involved



Circular logic)  Evolution is intellectually established on paleontology/fossils which are dated according to the rocklayers and rock layers which are dated upon the fossils.  other methods are recorded if they are on in harmony with these assumptions.  So we are dealing with circular reason and have no true observations before history.  Even our knowledge of archaeology and anthrolopology are based upon the observations of history.  thus the epistemic knowledge of prehistory is simply a house of cards. 

Appeal to authority)   Evolutionists apeal to the scientitifc establishment as their authority.  However , this is not what modern science actually is.  It is supposed to be questioning authority  and even thise things which are "proven" are always up for criticism

Band wagon) Evolutionists tend to place confidence in the number of adherence, even though evolutioni is often propagated on compulsion either in academics or as part of government law in the case of communism.  This goes along with the pn "If everyone jumped off the brooklyn bridge would you?

marxist atheists using eschatology to debunk christianity

https://youtu.be/_GkdkDvW_p4?si=AwS-4sF8E2jpL9qQ


 1. Mark was not the first gospel that was written Church hoistory unanymously states that it was matthew which was first.

2. The modern versions are dingo dung. Obviousley that is a longer conversation here is a book I wrote explaining it. https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2017/10/links-for-book-new-look-at-old-word.html here is mark 13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Now he claims narcissisticly that the second coming was supposed to happen in "this generation". Which generation? "10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations." it is the genersation after the gospel has been published among all nations. So had the gospel reached the aborigines??? the contemporary scholarship these guys follow says No!!! So then all this stuff is prophetically later. Wow! that was supposed to be the knock out blow! Well, it did blow! I am sorry but it is hard to listen to such embarassing ignorance of theology and act like 3 billion people now have to shake in their boots. because these guys couldn't do very basic exogesis. 3. The Bible is perfect. but you are not. These guys beg the question they think God does not exist because they can't understand faith and they are smarter than all the world no one has anything to correct them with or teach them so that iuf there is "a god" he is not as smart as they are. 4. we know that Jesus flew off in the clouds because 120 witnesses saw huim. and after massive searches from the jews and the romans they could never fiund a body. they actually thought it easier to kill thousands of people for centuries than to find the body. 5, the churches ethics: pursue the truth. that makes sense Because God is truth. but if there is no God then there is no truth, everything is subjective in lknowledge but also there is no moral base to pursue truth. he evene he admitted that he got the moral pursue truth from the church. Well if the truth is no longer to be pursued then you know this guy is a liar. 6.Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" So here we have not one, but two topics. the destruction of the temple and then the endtimes after that. 7. We see the break again in matthew 24. :13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)" 13 The destruction of the temple 14: the gospel of the kingdom spreading throughout all the earth which is still going on. 15: The gret tribulation aka time of jacob's trouble. 8. in matthew which is the first gospel this is made even more obvious. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." "the tribulation of those days" IS "this generation"! "33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." the if you see the trib. then at that time you know you are in it! Not while ghe prophecy is yet to be fulfilled. 9. As already discussed Jesus was predicting the fall of jerusalem as well as the endtimes. The fall of jerusalem most certainly happened!! 40 yrs later, all the destruction Jesus predicted came to pass. The persecution happened there were thirty contenders for the title of messiah in that century and none of them were said t be risen from the dead. 10. the preterist interpretation was invented in the 1600's. out of those full preterist were considered by all heretics in defiance of most creeds including the apostles creed. 11. "he doesn't mean what you think he meant" you see these guys are going to claim that the postled conspired to write the gospels at some point. Well if they conspired then they would reconcile these issues and very simply not publish weird prophesies. if there is an issue in need of reconciliation then you have a real story fron a real Christ. 12. Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." All you have to do is remember that there are no chapter verse divisions in the original gospel. then we see an early fufillment immediately following. Some of you is the fact that not all the apostles would see it. if these guys had any real experience with prophecy and aposalyptic literature they would know that this genre does not require strict chronology. it is in relation to the experience of the topic at hand.the transfiguration applies to some of the apostles at that time while others would have experiences connecting them to the prophecies in other ways." the stoning of Stephen Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 13. These men are just not real bible scholars. When the bible challenges them to search the scriptures they just assume that the bible is defeated. But the scriputres themselves provide us answers that are ingenius that we do not have to defend but instead answers that we find as good bereans. 14. "written after" this is ad hoc reasoning. a natural reading would have the gospels being produced in the disciples lifetime as can be seen in acts 6. but the natural reading would show truth in bible prophecy. So to avoid those implications they make an elaborate system completely unsupported by history and archaeology. 15. The scoentific test of creation vs evoplution is fairly simple. Vulcanism vs neptunism. Wha? vulcanism the idea that the earth was a fireball eons and eons ago. is the evolutionary view. Neptunism the idea that the earth was watery and had no requirement of millions of years follows Peter's statement. We have found oceans of water in continents like north america and asia miles and miles below the earth. The earth has a material in the dirt known as wadselyte. This has 2% water contained in it. But the global totality of this esarth contains about 36 oceans worth of water within. Drilling several miles deep of bore holes like the russian "kola" holes found water radiating ouyt the bottum. Also lava contains deuterium which has aquatic molecules. This is significant in the sense that a vulcan molton earth would have evaporated all of this material so only the liquid would lay outside of the earths shell. So Peter has outsmarted the physicist while these scoffers are still butt hurt. 16. the "deconversion rhetoric" is code for demonic possession and apostasy. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 17. Death is often described as sleep. Sleep is not a chronological state. You can go into a deep sleep for many hours and not experience the passing of time. Yet you can have a short sleep and feel as is if you were asleep for hours. So is the intermediate state. Until we are brought to the physicality of the new heavens and new earth heaven will be likened to a dream. Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light." so the end will experientially be soon. 18. The daniel prophecy is for Israel and not the christian church. that is why christ's prophecy is to the jews and dealing with the temple. The 70th week is sealed and wil be unsealed in the time jacobs trouble. 19. it may be granted that Bible Prophecy is not easy to interpret, nor was it meant to be. Parables were easier to understand than prophecy and yet christ used prophecy to separate the religious tourists from the true disciples. But once a prophecy is agreed upon we find that most prophecies have been fulfilled or they are waiting to be so. However once established to many have proved fulfillment and many have done so for long cycles. How could Moses for instance force the arabic people to be at odds with the jews 4,000 years later? 20. There is a game here. You can not learn defensively. if a child does not want to read and they fight it 100% then they won't learn and it is not the teachers fault. These men defy "occam's razor" in that they search out ways to misunderstand the lessage of scripture instead of seeking to understand the message of scripture. 21 Are these guys on a mission to erradicate gnosticism? Then why label the gnostics, christians? Since christianity expelled this groups as early as possible.? this is bigotry. 22, Sodomy is biblically demonic and walks hand in hand with insanity and depression. Accepting such practices dooms people to suicide and the many other curses of such a lifestyle. david is dooming all his freinds to sexually transmitted diseases and suicide and a host of other social curses. "accepting" these problems is telling people that you accept their disease instead of accepting their life. Why does man have no clue about sodomy and sodom and gomorrah???? This man has no clue about scripture. If he ever read a real bible he would no the word sodomy. then he would realize that sodomy is not just "homosexual" but deals with rape and child molestation and at times includes murder. https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2013/09/homosexuality-and-curse-of-sodom.html 23. At this point these guys are following the communist party. the same attacks on faith and the same attacks on morality. first of all they are acting as a hate group. They do not imply live and let live they are out to drag people to hell and persecute people who want to stay christian. https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/03/are-we-cursed-by-god-with-racism-and.html 24. Also this man is perverted. Not only because of his acceptance of homosexuality but because of his feministic castrated persona. if I was not a christian I would have been more violent and macho and not less. I don't think it is natural for a man to not want to be a leader and not want to stand up for his wife. it is not godly to encourage your wife to be a slut. And yes women are sinners just as much as men and the bible coorects them too. Whay because you should not make life about yourself you depended on your parents growing up and you need to be dependable. 25. Is it sexist to call these dudes men? They want to destroy families and destroy society. This is why caucasians are quickly becoming a minority is this atheist disease. Women should not be mothers so the family should not really exist. Or maybe women should be incompetant mothers who abuse their kids. The moral issues are sin issues. live for yourself and don;t give back after you have raped the worlds resources for the next generation. Death to the patriarchy means destroy the family to destroy independence and thus enslaving the world to tyranny. 26. creation is cursed because of man's sin. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2014/08/debating-animals-life-and-death-before.html 27. https://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2015/12/sex-slavery-in-old-testament-really-nah.html At times it seems to me rather obvious that I guy who can't read scripture without cursing is not a guy who really ever had the experience of regeneration. Unfortunately his steal case didn't give me a "knock out blow" I don't know if it even made enough of a dent to make me shrug. But I am sure they have gotten a few people at the pep rally to chant. So bon voyage.

A roman catholic denies the biblical trinity

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1. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

We see God as in Father, while Holy Spirit is upon the face of the water.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Here we see the plurality of Elohim in the verses. in fact if look at the next verse we see how God is used singular while the previously singular man is now plural as man and woman. Yet also scripture indicates that it is Jesus which is the image of God.

2. ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

We have a triune covenant. God has pick only 3 in the set. Jewish commentators often reference this text to say that God manifest differently to each. but we see a reflection of the 3 persons of God in each. Abraham the father, Isaac the son miraculously born to be a sacrifice for sin. The Spirit whom jacob wrestle the blessings from.

3. psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

here we the obvious conversation within the Godhead.

3. Psalm 2:11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

The glory offered to the Son. Obviously showing deity of both.

4. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

The messiah is titled the mighty God.

5. joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke".

6. hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."

luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

This duality of Father Son relationship shows 2/3 of the trinity.

7. Mixah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

Here we see a description of the Incarnation, the eternal logos and the man messiah as one person.

8. Isaiah 40:13

Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?"

Isaiah 42:1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles."

Here we see 1st that the Holy Spirit is personal and sovereign. Yet also in the other verse He is distinct from the Father and submits to the Father.

9. Zechariah 3:2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?"

In this discourse we see that Jehovah is speaking. Jehovah warns Satan that jehovah will rebuke him. In fact jehovah says that even Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem. The Grammar seems awkward, unless this is implying the trinity which is composed of 3 persons though one being Jehovah.

10. Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.:"

Here we see three independent actions of the trinity. The father is in the clouds speaking while the Holy Spirit is descending n the form of a dove, While the Son is in the Water.

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness."

If the Son baptizes people with the Holy Spirit. Then he is immersing people with Him and it is clear that he is not himself the Holy Ghost.
11. matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Kai, Kai. The Father Kai The Son Kai the Holy Ghost. Shown as three while being one in baptism.

12. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen."

This also points to the common usage of the Father being named God while the Son is named Lord. If God is shown as one person, then it is referring to the God the Father.

13. Acts 19 :1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."

Here we see the uniqeness of the baptism of the Christians. It is claimed that The Holy Ghost and as well Christ are essential to the formula and doctrine of baptism. Thus equating to the emblem of the trinity as the entry way of the NT religion,

14. 1 john 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

The Father, word and the Holy Ghost are three witnesses which implies three persons.

15. John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

The usage of witness and men proves personhood. This also reinforces 1 John 5.

Holy Spirit is God.

16. Isaiah 57:15

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones." A description of the Holy Spirit.

17. Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband."

Here God is synonymous with the The Holy Spirit.

18. 1 Corinthians 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit affirms the identity of Christ as Lord.

Jesus is God

19. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

20. Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."

The logos is identified with Jesus the Son of God.

Persons of the trinity.

21. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."

We see the unity of man and the father and christ.

Godhead/divinity

22. Acts 17:29

Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

GOD'HEAD, noun god'hed.

1. Godship; deity; divinity; divine nature or essence; applied to the true God, and to heathen deities."

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Matt Singleton Thank you confirming that you deny the Holy Trinity and are not Christian.

Matt Singleton

Chuck Brown no pagan has the ability to determine what christianity is. in fact the pope did not give you the authoirity did he? You just denied that the Bible teaches the trinity is all you did, have fun in hell

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Matt Singleton Actually, I denied your warped and perverse understanding of Sacred Scripture. Thanks for responding!


Matt Singleton

Chuck Brown yes you just denied the trinity!!!!"

Now forgivew my uncharitable tone. But I do so because there is no authority in our communication and I have to express the fact that he has no authority in my eyes nore in the eyes of more than half of Christendom.
However as he has been using his "holy Trinity" as a club by which to judge his opponents he has gone so far as to deny biblical support for the trinity because only His church has authority.
So if he is right then I guess His church denies the biblical trinity.